What Year Sho-Bud

John Knight · Post by **John Knight** » 1 Apr 2002 11:55 am

This is a beautiful old Bud. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=854777353

It appears the Sho-Bud logo on the front of the guitar has Madison, Tenn. Not Nashville

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Ricky Davis · Post by **Ricky Davis** » 1 Apr 2002 1:53 pm

Looks to be a "Permenant" ShoBud from the 60's....can't be sure of the date...If Kevin Owens wasn't out on tour right now with Jesse Dayton....he could tell you......Heck maybe Al or Bobbe will confirm.
Ricky

Darvin Willhoite · Post by **Darvin Willhoite** » 1 Apr 2002 2:48 pm

Whomever is selling it knows us steel players pretty well, he shows the pictures of the underside first.

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John Knight · Post by **John Knight** » 1 Apr 2002 2:56 pm

Yep I agree Ricky, I did peg it as an early 60's cuz I got one like it at home. Its the first time I have seen the Madison sticker though.

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D 10 Thomas with 8&6, '61'D-10 Sho-Bud 8&4
S12 Knight 4&4
Nashville 400 and Profex II
81' Fender Twin JBL's
Asleep at the Steel

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 1 Apr 2002 3:17 pm

I always thought that Sho-Bud used the card symbols on the fretboard and at one time on the front of the guitar. But I see that the fretboard on this guitar doesn't. When did they go to the card symbols?
Erv

chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 1 Apr 2002 7:06 pm

My understanding is there were 2 fretboards to choose from, the traditional 'card symbols' or the 'Texas Star', if your religeous convictions were contrary to playing cards.

Bobbe Seymour · Post by **Bobbe Seymour** » 1 Apr 2002 7:21 pm

This is positively a 1962 built guitar. I love em'. [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 01 April 2002 at 07:23 PM.]

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 2 Apr 2002 2:04 am

1962, that was a very good year, The 327/360 HP engine was introduced in the '62 Corvette.
Small block, Hi Horsepower and Hi revs, a young boys dreams...
TP
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Chris DeBarge · Post by **Chris DeBarge** » 3 Apr 2002 8:43 am

I am seriously thinking about buying this guitar, so any more info you guys could offer would help. We're all in agreement that it's for real eh? Thanks!

Stay away, it's mine!

John Lacey · Post by **John Lacey** » 3 Apr 2002 10:20 am

That's a permanent setup on those guitars, is it not? Do you have to cut those rods with a torch to change the setup?

John Knight · Post by **John Knight** » 3 Apr 2002 10:57 am

John, The pull rods, no, the cross rods yes. This one is set up 8 + 5 which is a good set up. Someone has put some work to get this type of guitar up to an 8 + 5. Like I said in an earlier post, I have a guitar like this one and it takes some doing to get them to accept some of the modern tunings.

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D 10 Thomas with 8&6, '61'D-10 Sho-Bud 8&4
S12 Knight 4&4
Nashville 400 and Profex II
81' Fender Twin JBL's
Asleep at the Steel

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 3 Apr 2002 11:30 am

What always blew my mind about those old Sho~Buds is that the crossrod bellcranks were welded! Same with the early ZB's.
I mean, moveable parts were not all that revolutionary in those days, were they?

One of the reasons why the Emmons guitar came on in such a big way in 1964, I think, was that the player could actually change the pedal setup without a blowtorch!

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Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 3 Apr 2002 11:42 am

Folks, I did email the seller to ask if the guitar was in fact complete, as the photo's do not show the pedal rack or rods. The answer. Yes, it is complete.

As much as I would like to bid on this Sho-Bud I already have a D10 Professionl which I am restoring, sort of. The body is excellent but the underside needs a full disassembly for cleaning.

Hope one of you gets this very cool Sho-Bud.

tp

Chris DeBarge · Post by **Chris DeBarge** » 3 Apr 2002 2:09 pm

Thanks for the help guys, but as my friend Mike Castellana pointed out, the E9 pickup has been changed. This is everything short of a deal-breaker for me, the sound is why I want this guitar. I don't think I'd have much hope finding a '62 Sho-Bud pickup. Too bad, it's a great deal.

John Knight · Post by **John Knight** » 3 Apr 2002 3:15 pm

I don't know Chris, I've got two early 60's Sho-Bud pickups. I put BL-705's in my older bud and I love the tone. Dr. Seymour has George L's in the one he has for sale. One of the reasons I swapped then out was single coil hum. Drove me crazy.

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D 10 Thomas with 8&6, '61'D-10 Sho-Bud 8&4
S12 Knight 4&4
Nashville 400 and Profex II
81' Fender Twin JBL's
Asleep at the Steel

[This message was edited by John Knight on 03 April 2002 at 03:17 PM.]

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 4 Apr 2002 12:43 am

Chris, I have a D10 almost exactly like this, a bit earlier, and I simply love it. Go for it, you won't regret it. The non original PU might not be a big deal either. And I don't think those knee levers are original either, but they sure won't harm you. The two toggle swithces the seller mentions are original, the PU coils are tapped, it should have handles on the endplates too. If not, you can find those from any hardware store.
Jussi

Jussi Huhtakangas · Post by **Jussi Huhtakangas** » 4 Apr 2002 12:49 am

Hmm, now that I looked closer, seems that the handles and the vol and tone pots are missing, still not a big deal.

Chris DeBarge · Post by **Chris DeBarge** » 4 Apr 2002 7:19 am

Yes, there are a lot of little things that are questionable about this, but overall it looks like a nice guitar. Of course I'm used to playing junk, so it'd be nice to have old junk at least!

I'm still on the fence though...we'll see.

So John, are you saying you'd sell one of your pickups?

P Gleespen · Post by **P Gleespen** » 5 Apr 2002 6:43 am

Hey Chris, are you going to go for it? If you don't, I just might...even without all the pedal rods!

The clock's runnin' down on this pup.

Chris DeBarge · Post by **Chris DeBarge** » 5 Apr 2002 9:01 am

Get away from it, all of you's!!!! It's mine, mine, mine!!!!!!(picture me waving a broom at you)

Actually I have my own reserve in my mind on this, if it goes over, tough luck. Half an hour to go.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 5 Apr 2002 9:03 am

I would assume the missing rods wouldn't be a problem so much as the pedal rod connectors. I recall Sho-Bud used Olite fittings in that era and they'd be hard to find I betcha. Something could be modified I'm sure but it would add to the total cost to get the thing playable.

Of course, the winner could just make it into a Lloyd Green Model...

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Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 5 Apr 2002 9:29 am

Well, it's over...

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John Knight · Post by **John Knight** » 5 Apr 2002 9:44 am

Congrats to whomever. You won't be sorry, these old guitars have such a sweet tone.

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D 10 Thomas with 8&6, '61'D-10 Sho-Bud 8&4
S12 Knight 4&4
Nashville 400 and Profex II
81' Fender Twin JBL's
Asleep at the Steel

Chris DeBarge · Post by **Chris DeBarge** » 6 Apr 2002 6:26 am

I don't know who got it, only that it wasn't me. I put in a bid in the last minute, two more followed! No hard feelings, as I said I had my own limit and it went over it. I'll find one sooner or later, for now the Professional will have to do.